Culture in Danger (Culture en Péril, with subtitles)

Vineon Says:

Nov 11, 2008 - They STILL get educated in english from grade 1 as a secondary language and they STILL can send their kids to full english colleges and universities once high school is over, being considered to have mastered the french language. English education is thus open to all. Québec understands its distinction and flavor is associated with the french language, it would incredibly dumb to let it wither.

Vineon Says:

Nov 11, 2008 - If I am so blind, why do you refuse to open my eyes with valid examples. You have come up with one thing so far: Bill 101's sign law. You cannot think of anything to showcase the anglos being repressed here. I do read newspapers, watch the news, am interested in politics which ended up getting me a degree in political science, although I work in a completely different branch now. I post everyday on forums like politiquebec . com and no, I still don't believe for one second anglos have it bad.

PhilipJFry72 Says:

Nov 12, 2008 - blah blah blah Promotion does not affect production. You don't promote something that isn't already in production. If you weren't so ideologically-wed to this idea that a cut of roughly one per cent was the apocalypse and an attack on Quebec, you'd see that. I have to believe there is at least one neuron in your entire Quebec-polluted brain that is rational.

PhilipJFry72 Says:

Nov 12, 2008 - You don't believe anglos in Quebec have it bad? Again, that's another form of abuse and repression. Bill 101 and Quebec's discriminatory education laws aren't enough for you? Quite honestly, you sicken me.

PhilipJFry72 Says:

Nov 12, 2008 - You just don't get it! FUCK. In a free and open society, PARENTS would be allowed to choose the education their children recieve. Quebec WILL NOT ALLOW francophone parents to send their children to anglophone schools. FUCK. English education is NOT open to all. It's incredibly dumb to cling to the idea that English taught as a second language will be good enough anywhere outside of Quebec. FUCK

PhilipJFry72 Says:

Nov 12, 2008 - You DO NOT get to choose what's valid and what is not. Again, it's a form of abuse. Your arguments are not valid until you can prove that Quebec is not repressive towards non-francophones, towards francophone parents who want to send their children to anglophone schools, towards businesses who don't want to put french on their promotional materials, to anglos who want gvt services in English, etc. You really do sicken me, especially because you post this shit on Rememberance Day.

PhilipJFry72 Says:

Nov 12, 2008 - NO, because they HAVE to target the french market first. A FREE and OPEN society would let a business cater to whatever market it chooses. If a business does not want to put french on its signs, then why does Quebec INSIST they put french on their signs? I'll tell you why. It's to visually remind anglos that they are second-class citizens in a french Quebec. It's a sign that the Enlish will never be equal to the french. It's repression.

Vineon Says:

Nov 13, 2008 - The education laws do not target anglophones who can all receive english education from grade 1. It targets francophones and new immigrants. Roughly, Bill 101 affects everyone BUT the anglophones in Québec, who can bypass it. The only thing they need to cope with, is the sign law. Anglos are not oppressed, far from it.

Vineon Says:

Nov 13, 2008 - The only person that needs to prove something here is you. You cannot manage to prove to me that anglos are oppressed. Most of your examples don't even affect them. PLEASE, anglos get full government services in english. For a message in english, press 1. You are biased beyond belief because you categorize separatists as bigots from the get-go and that weakens most of your arguments.

Vineon Says:

Nov 13, 2008 - They don't need to target the french market at all. Targeting a market goes WAY beyond whats writen on your signs (which can all be in english as well). They are fully free to target any market they see fit. A Chinese restaurant that wishes to have chinese custommers will have chinese (and french :) ) menus. It insists french be on sign because dating back before Bill 101, most of the signs in the city were english only, regardless of the fact the population was francophone.

Vineon Says:

Nov 13, 2008 - Again using the word repression with Bill 101's sign law in mind! Do you not have anything else to back it up? Can't you find anything else than the sign law. How many times have I asked you to find me something else? Fifty times now? You have no clue what being repressed means.

PhilipJFry72 Says:

Nov 13, 2008 - Listen jackass, it's very simple. Gvt's have no business telling businesses what language they need to have on their signs in a free and open society. There can be no argument on this. The purpose of the sign law is psychological oppression worthy of the Chinese occupation of Tibet.

PhilipJFry72 Says:

Nov 13, 2008 - My arguments are only considered weak by you and your separatist ilk. You are afraid of English, and anglophones in general, and moreso that francophones will choose English over french. Not really the way to live in the 21st Century, is it?

terricor Says:

Nov 13, 2008 - Toi tu veux trop de troubles et devenir pauvre avec un pays instable qui aurait 10x plus d'avantage a rester au Canada surtout en crisse economique. Epic fail /reroll

PhilipJFry72 Says:

Nov 13, 2008 - At least you admit it TARGETS people... Which also means it RESTRICTS and therefor REPRESSES people and their freedom to CHOOSE. You've already lost the argument. You cannot proclaim Quebec as open, tolerant, or enlightened when it so actively represses its peoples' right to choose which language they want to speak and their children to learn. Game, set, and match.

terricor Says:

Nov 13, 2008 - First quand je veux dire quils lont garder cest que au moins ils parlent francais mais ils apprenent puent leurs origines. Nous oui et le system education est extremement separatist et on apprend asser. Choix au eleves d'ecouter ou non car canada ou non education cest provincial et cela reviens a nous.

PhilipJFry72 Says:

Nov 13, 2008 - Actually, I do. I've seen it firsthand. Have you ever been outside of Canada? Or studied human psychology? I have... I know all about repression, and the psychological tricks that gvts and political organizations play. The Quebec myth might have persuaded you, but I - and many others - see through it. Don't assume that you've said anything of value or that your political indoctrination means anything to anyone other than other separatists.

Vineon Says:

Nov 13, 2008 - Sur quelles bases le Québec est un pays pauvre sans le Canada? Le Québec n'est toujours pas en récession, contrairement à l'Ontario et la presque totalité du monde occidental. "en crisse economique" je l'ai bien rigolé celle là.

Vineon Says:

Nov 13, 2008 - I can't believe you made a correlation with Tibet here. I will calmly from the side let you destroy your own arguments, along with your credibility. :)

Vineon Says:

Nov 13, 2008 - Sorry but target hardly means represse. I could target a certain group with social programs for example. I haven't certainly lost an argument you constantly avoid. You cannot find anything that showcases an oppression of anglos in Québec. You play the sign law, which is your only card and quite a weak one at that and you are done. You should either admit this, or come here with better or at least other examples of english "oppression".

Vineon Says:

Nov 13, 2008 - I'm a born in Ontario, raised in Québec Haitian and I've been to Haiti, the US and continental Europe. I am planning a second trip to Europe. Why did you ask? I disagree with your last statement, I think I can win over more than simply born convinced separatists. On the other hand, I don't think you'd get anyone riled up that isn't already. sorry, but I have the conviction you are losing your time. :)

PhilipJFry72 Says:

Nov 13, 2008 - You have lost. Consistently and completely. Your identity is so intertwined with the Quebec myth that you have adopted its repressive tactics. Quite honestly, I would have expected better from someone who considers himself educated.

PhilipJFry72 Says:

Nov 13, 2008 - You're wasting your time defending the indefensible. I don't have to defend anything because what I've said has all been said before and by more respected voices than you and I will ever become.

Vineon Says:

Nov 13, 2008 - Repeating something over and over will not make it true. You are just looking for a way out. Countless times I've asked you to tell me how anglos are oppressed and you couldn't deliver. This is not what I'd considering "winning". You've shown a lack of arguments, a lack of information and a lack of understanding. One has to wonder how I managed to learn english in a province that "oppresses it", right?

LeRockeur101 Says:

Nov 16, 2008 - ça l'air que Jean Charest aime bien ça être a genoux quand il va à Ottawa,ont ce demandent pas pk hein ? Jean Charest et le PLQ aime bien ça être à la hauteur John James allias Jean Charest le consevateur libéral est juste a la bonne hauteur pour lècher le Q au fédéral pis ramasser juste la merde. le PLQ = le Parti Lèche Q d'ottawa